And he's smiling throughout the whole thing too which is almost endearing. Like on some level it was so ridiculous and surprising Bush was laughing at it like that scene in Austin Powers "who throws a shoe!? Honestly you fight like a woman"
He was an athlete, it’s too bad he didn’t just stick to sports. It was a terrible time to have an over grown frat boy as president. This current demon has really given me appreciation for how well he responded to that situation. Trump would have demanded that man’s head on a pike.
The Bush family was desperately trying to build a political dynasty so they could sit with the Roosevelts and Kennedys. Too bad the only son they had left to shove into the machinery was an idiot.
Fun fact, the Roosevelt presidents, (Teddy and FDR) weren’t closely related. They were fifth cousins, coming from two different branches of the Roosevelt family in New York. The Oyster Bay branch and the Hyde Park branch.
Eleanor Roosevelt (born Anna Eleanor Roosevelt) was from Theodore Roosevelt’s Oyster Bay branch. She was actually Teddy’s niece, and he walked her down the aisle when she married FDR in 1905.
In the winter of 2003, when George Bush and Tony Blair were frantically gathering support for their planned invasion, Professor Thomas Römer, an Old Testament expert at the university of Lausanne, was rung up by the Protestant Federation of France. They asked him to supply them with a summary of the legends surrounding Gog and Magog and as the conversation progressed, he realised that this had originally come, from the highest reaches of the French government.
President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw “Gog and Magog at work” and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.
Gog and Magog! There are statues of Gog and Magog in the royal arcade in Melbourne, Australia. I think it's either once every hour or once a day they move around mechanically or whatever. They were built in 1892 so they're a bit old and dusty.
Bush Sr., maybe, but Bush Jr. indirectly (imo directly considering he acted as the Commander-In-Chief, despite how many people pulled his puppet strings) killed more people than died in the entire Korean war, almost twice.
True, but he also didn’t storm the capital or shit on the constitution. Not saying he was great, he botched his fair share of issues. I’m just saying he was fairly normal for a Republican president
The bar has been falling every term. Mitt Romney during the election campaign. was derided and referred to a flip flop Romney cuz he would keep changing his stance on things depending on what the situation called for, and now looking back, Romney feels like a pitch perfect dream candidate compared to what we have now.
There's an old saying in Tennessee... I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee... that says, fool me once, shame on… shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again.
That’s probably my favorite W quote lol. The pause mid “shame” to ensure he’s getting it straight, only to completely shit the bed, is absolute chef’s kiss lol.
He has been interviewed on this, and he said he went off script and as he was saying it he realized he was going to say the phrase “Shame on Me” and that it would be played over and over as a sound byte. So he tried to pivot. But could not pull it out. I don’t think it redeems him or anything but I think it is interesting
Nah hes got a ranch and likes to golf... hes funny. Try to imagine being married to one of the other 2. Trump... absolutely the fuck not. Bush SR, its like living with your grandparents (and not today's grandparents, 90s kids grandparents. No cable, moth balls, plastic over the 70s furniture), you only get to watch The Wheel and have to be in bed be 7pm.
I can turn the lights off and get through 5 mins of fucking Bush Sr (jesus christ) and im certainly not fucking Trump.
Thats objectively the only right answer, FMK from L to R
I don't know... Jr got all those OBGYNs practicing their love with women all across this county after his heartfelt speech. With a wordsmith like that the world is your oyster.
What are you talking about. Senior could not go longer than 4 years and I don’t want a liar. “No new taxes.” Yeah right. This guy probably has a hidden credit card. W is a long-term commitment and will do anything Dick asks him to do. Plus have you seen the socks on Senior, I’d fuck his colorful socks off.
W. knows how to party, so he’s fuck. Bush Sr. was intelligent, calm, rich, and he could tell you who really killed JFK. Marrying him for sure. The last one, well that’s obvious.
HW would at least take you to the sizzler occasionally and outside of the occasional bridge game you could probably not even have to look at each other.
W you could at least do some blow like the old days. He’d probably treat you right.
Honestly those pictures make me feel bad for her. Blech. I know his kids are horrible but damn. It’s like she didn’t have a chance. Imagine having an actual sex trafficker for a father.
The irony is that Bush Sr’s Gulf War was basically a textbook masterstroke of diplomacy. We had every nation in the Middle East, even Syria, fighting Saddam.
And bush Sr knew exactly when to cut it off to prevent a long occupation.
A lot of these folks are too young to remember that war and the fact that there was a resolution from the UN security council for Iraq to leave Kuwait after it's illegal occupation that precipitated it.
It’s funny to look back and think about how Saddam was our ally until then. We knew he was an evil dictator, and that was all good because he had oil… But then he tried to invade another oil friend’s country, and it was suddenly time to care that he was a monster.
If nothing else, H.W. knew how to wrap it up quick. The fact the Gulf War was only a seven month operation shows that we weren't fucking around. There were single deployments during GWOT that lasted longer than the entirety of the Gulf War.
Hell, the actual hostilities were only 6 weeks... everything before then was just getting nations partnered up & forces deployed into the region.
One could actually make the argument that the overwhelming success of Desert Storm in the immediate aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union led to the US being overly confident in the ability to resolve conflicts quickly & with comparatively little damage (from the American perspective).
Ya I think the title is unfair saying Bush senior started that war, that was Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. Now Bush Sr chose to get involved but he didn't start it, while his kid and Trump definitely started theirs.
Yup! I had no real problem with Iraq War I. An ally (as imperfect as it was) was attacked and the objectives were clearly defined.
Iraq War II: Nope. They didn't attack us and were still reeling from Iraq War I (but at least W went to Congress and the UN, even if it was on bullshit pretenses).
Colin Powell was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under HW Bush. He was credited with the strategy of not going to Baghdad as he knew it would be decades of nation building. Also why the neo-cons during W's admin forced him into that humiliation ritual of a UN speech about WMDs in Iraq.
Seems like a decent theory. Trump just tweets and talks into a mic. Then he plays some golf. He rarely follows through on things he says and much of it is gibberish.
Based on his past debates and campaign speeches, his grasp on the issues is historically unrivaled in terms of just how little he seems to understand.
That said, I think the extremely unqualified idiots in his cabinet serve the purpose of being thrown under the bus when things go sideways. I think darker forces behind the scenes are what’s causing the issues. The stooges are just sacrificial lambs.
The whole justification for Iraq was WMDs. A couple months ago we were told that we took out Irans nuclear capabilities and set them back years. Now we’re being told we should support involvement in Iran because ???
The justification isn’t worse it’s just missing (like Cheney’s WMDs).
The irony is that Bush Sr’s Gulf War was basically a textbook masterstroke of diplomacy. We had every nation in the Middle East, even Syria, fighting Saddam.
We even had the decaying, shambling corpse of the Soviet Union backing us on that one
Following the Gulf War with Bush Sr, coalition forces continued the no fly zone in Iraq with Operation Northern and Southern Watch that carried over through the Clinton administration and rightttt up to March of ‘03.
I think it is because we underestimate how disconnected most people are from policy.
So, one party says "here is my 32 part plan to phase out expensive polluting energy production and replace those jobs with smart renewable energy manufacturing, focusing on factories in the areas that will be the most economically damaged by the transition." The other party says,"i love coal!!!"
Now, that doesn't change that coal is a dead-end technology. Those jobs are going away regardless of what republican policies will try. Several energy technologies are just better, cheaper, more portable, etc. But, if you are someone from a coal mining area, it make sense why "i love coal" is more appealing than "trust me, we will give you new and better jobs, jobs that won't pollute your air and water."
drumph is a master of telling people what they want to hear, even though he has no plan of actually following though on most of it.
Yeah, it's actually way worse than that. If you remember the tail end of his campaign he wasn't even really telling folks what they wanted to hear. He was talking about Arnold Palmer's junk and dancing for 20 minutes while his handlers begged him to answer questions.
You don't need any policy at all if your pitch is that the other team are evil and you get to be really smug and superior when your guy wins.
That pretty much sums it up. The other party is evil and wants to destroy the US and only I can save you. And they bought it hook line and sinker and now he can do no wrong because he’s saving them.
They've basically removed their pants at the party and shit in the punch bowl while everyone watched.
Then they said "that guy did it" without bothering to wipe or put their pants back on. All the guys in blue say "we literally watched you do it" and all the guys in red go "you're overreacting, its just some shit. There's fecal matter on everything!" And continue to drink it.
It's like we're living in that movie about the invention of lying.
That's a great point. That first comment was more reflective of my 2016 debates with a trump supporter in his late 50s.
My 2020 debates were with a 20 year old guy who was convinced Biden was a pedo because he sniffed girls' hair, but all the trump accusations were women trying to get his money. He was convinced Harris would start WWIII and he was convinced the entire space program is fake and that there is an "eather" blocking us from getting to space.
He's not a master of anything. He's an idiot.
Other idiots look up to him and recognize themselves in him, while despising anyone who sounds like they've ever read a book.
The US reached a critical mass of idiots, so he got elected. It's really that sad and simple.
One party elects systems thinkers and the other party calls them nerds while voting for "a guy I want to have a beer with" who they can't tell is funded by billionaires and giant corporations.
I blame republicans being the party of faith in what they want to believe no matter the evidence to the contrary. Whether it's Jesus or Trump, it's all about their predisposition to believe.
It’s so silly since taxing them would actually make that money trickle down. It’s just making it reenter the economy rather than blindly hoping the money from the top 1% gets spent somewhere.
If you give a dollar to a lower-class person, they spend it and pay someone else. If you give a dollar to the rich, they throw it on their Smaug-pile and you probably won't see it for a hundred years. Money seems to trickle the other way...
If you give a dollar to the poor, they spend it and pay someone else who then gets to spend the dollar.
If you give a dollar to the rich, they put it into assets that they leverage against to take loan from bank, which they use to buy more assets to leverage against so they can take more loan.
My big thing with conservatives these days is arguing that Trump is the farthest left president in history (just citing all the crazy shit his admin is doing to intervene in the economy) and then watching them freak out.
It’s peak troll behavior but I don’t care. Conservatives pretended to be free market and then immediately went for this shit.
Remember kids, asking to raise taxes to fund free healthcare is socialism. The government unilaterally taking stakes in companies and dictating their policies is free market conservatism.
cause republicans can talk like its still the 1990s and most americans are stuck in that era right now. Old fucks with same old takes. Immigrants take jobs grrr, dem are deamons grr, we need to be the good guys and save america! So stupid asses
A candidate like Trump would have never gotten a podium at a Republican primary debate in the 20th. They sucked back then too, but at least they had some standards. Obama broke that party.
Im saying its not the 90s anymore and people are stuck in nostalgia for a time that's gone and wont comeback. Economically or culturally. Republicans are promising things like bringing back jobs that are impossible with our current economy. The good times are over and the assholes who took them are the same that says they'll bring em back.
Believe it or not, it's fox news. Also republicans make a lot of policies that are in favor for private businesses and that's most Americans so it makes sense that most will vote republican 🥲
George H. W. had the support of 42 countries, a detailed plan, and left after they finished the plan. I don't count him anywhere close to the other two. Desert Storm was decisive and very well executed.
And that action was in response to a UN resolution demanding Iraq leave Kuwait because the occupation was illegal. I don't think Bush Snr should be on this list. If the UN security council says get out, and a dictator days "no, I don't think I will", war is a pretty predictable outcome.
I don’t like when people compare Trump to former Republican presidents at all honestly. I feel like it normalizes what he is doing. The second Iraq war sucked, but George Bush jr isn’t comparable to today. Nothing really is. Even if the pic is technically accurate.
Desert Storm was also, you could easily argue, a defensive war. Feel free to correct me if I missed any crucial details, but the timeline pretty much is
[Iran-Iraq war makes Iraq poor and desperate. Kuwait is rich.]
[Kuwait allies with the US.]
[Saddam is greedy and invades Kuwait. This is a incredibly poor casus belli.]
Iraq invades Kuwait
Operation Desert Shield: US and allies mass in the middle east to ensure Saddam doesn't grab more land. Pretty much just a defensive posture, to ensure he doesn't also go for e.g. Saudi Arabia.
The UN decides that Saddam must abandon Kuwait.
The US builds an alliance to enforce that mandate.
The US enforces that mandate, and only that mandate. Yes, they stepped foot on Iraqi soil, but really only for operational, not strategic reasons.
Iraq is kicked out of Kuwait
The end, for the most part.
Theres all you need to know to accept that Bush Sr. did not start a war, he just ended one.
bush 41 had good reason though: the berlin wall had just fallen and the cold war ended, and the usa was on good terms with the ussr, who were historically closely aligned with iraq. he didn’t want to risk jeopardizing all of that.
Gulf War was mad justified compared to these other conflicts, also this isn’t really picture material. You’re just posting an image of 3 presidential portraits?
We kicked them out of Kuwait and didn’t occupy Iraq. The whole thing was over in months. It was the most justified war since World War 2 and a huge victory for the US. Then Junior came in and decided to use the military as his own personal army to get back at Saddam. Seriously, W looks good now in comparison, but he was an absolute asshole and a terrible president whose leadership was directly responsible for thousands of deaths. He was a self-righteous evangelical nut and the only thing that makes him better than the current administration is at least he pretended to give a fuck.
H.W is clear in frame and his portrait is relatively flattering.
G.W is blurred, in the sense he blurred the lines between Weapons of Mass Destruction and the 9/11 terror attacks to justify the war.
Trump gets this portrait because, well, look at his public statements recently in regard to the war... not to mention campaigning on "No New Wars".
As a social democrat, I must say HW Bush is up there with my favorite presidents (not the best, but top 15). This guy looked like Reagan but was much more pragmatic and had more domestic success such as the ADA. On foreign policy, the Gulf War is a textbook masterpiece of diplomacy.
Yeah and Democrat presidents bombed and destroyed Libya, North Africa (Obama) and Yugoslavia, Europe (Clinton). So what is the point you’re trying to make? America has been playing the world’s police since WWII. You Americans have a two party system, it’s like two sides of the same coin. You don’t have a real democracy, it is the rich elite are who decide the course of your country. They divided your people and conquered you. It’s not left vs right. It’s the informed rich elite vs the barely surviving, mostly uninformed middle and lower class.
At least in GHWB's case the war was in defense of an ally, was provoked by someone else, and was concluded quickly and without creating a long-term quagmire.
Saddam Hussein-led Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990 and basically claimed that it was annexed into Iraq. George HW Bush rallied an international coalition, with UN support, that demanded Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait. When Iraq refused to leave Kuwait, the American-led UN-sanctioned coalition militarily ejected Iraq from Kuwait in early 1991. There's room to disagree on the intervention, but it is inaccurate to say that Bush I started the Persian Gulf War in 1990.
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